#202 – How To Solve Your Biggest Web Design Content Problem with Diane Whiddon of AI Designer’s Academy

Have you ever had to wait on a client’s photos to finish your web design projects? Like, you've done everything else… the strategy, the copy, the layout… and then you're just stuck, waiting for your client’s photo shoot, waiting for the photographer to get the photos processes, for the client to choose them, and then when you finally do get them – you don’t even have the sizes or orientations you need to make your designs work? Or the vibe is just all wrong? I’m totally having flashbacks right now of all the terrible photos I had to edit and figure out how make work back in the day…

But what if you could just create the photos yourself – AI portraits, brand photo shoots, the whole thing – and turn it into a profitable add-on service that makes your projects move faster AND gives your clients better images than they'd ever get from a traditional photo shoot?

If you've been in business for more than five minutes, you already know: aside from waiting on logins and copy, waiting on client photos is one of the most maddening parts of running a web design project.

You do everything right. You build a gorgeous layout, nail the copy structure, dial in the strategy… and then you're stuck. Waiting on the client’s photographer to come through. Holding your breath that the photos are horizontal.

Diane Whiddon, founder of AI Designer's Academy and Sway Rise Creative has a completely different solution – and it turns one of the biggest project bottlenecks in web design into a profitable, strategic add-on service that clients are actively asking for.

Diane teaches designers how to use AI with the eye and judgment of a creative director – so they can deliver better client results faster and stay indispensable as the industry evolves.

Scaling a WordPress Agency Almost Broke Her

Diane has been in web design since 2006. She built a full WordPress agency – employees, in-person office, systems, the whole thing. She hired business coaches, followed the advice, scaled the way everyone told her to scale.

And she burned out completely.

“Scaling to me has become like a four-letter word,” she told me. “I did everything that everyone was telling me to do. And what I didn't realize was getting me was I didn't understand myself and how I really wanted to work.”

What Diane discovered – the hard way – is that scaling often means handing over the parts of your business you actually love (the design, the strategy, the one-on-one client work) and replacing them with the parts that drain you (HR, management, meetings, overhead). She sold the agency and walked away.

She eventually found her way back to web design through Squarespace, and this time she built it completely differently. Boutique. White-glove. On her terms. No in-person office. Minimal phone calls (her clients use WhatsApp and, as it turns out, most of them prefer it that way).

“Can I build a business where I never get on the phone?” she asked herself. Turns out, you can.

This is something we talk about a lot inside our Next Level Mastermind – the difference between building a business that looks successful on paper and building one that actually works for your life. Diane lived the cautionary tale, rebuilt from scratch, and now has the receipts.

How She Stumbled Into AI Portraits

Diane wasn't looking to pivot into AI imagery – she was just trying to solve a very annoying client problem.

A client hired a photographer, the photographer took terrible photos, and the whole web design project became a headache around how to make a professional-looking website with images that weren't working. So Diane decided to try something different – she used AI to create portraits for the client.

The client loved them, and Diane immediately thought: “I think this is a service…”

She validated it fast. She told herself if six people bought, she'd consider it a real thing. Twenty-four people bought. The AI Photo Factory (which eventually became AI Designer's Academy) was born.

The Two AI Imagery Services You Can Offer Right Now

Diane breaks AI imagery for web design clients into two distinct services, and she recommends starting with both on your menu.

1. AI Headshots

This is the easier entry point – and the easiest upsell she has ever offered in 20 years of web design.

The process: you ask for 20-30 photos of the client, train a model in Flux (her preferred tool for character consistency and likeness), and produce a small suite of professional headshots. Diane charges $600 for a basic headshot package of three to four images, with additional images available at $50-75 each. From start to finish, a typical project takes her four to six hours.

The easiest sales question in the world? At the end of a discovery call: “Do you need headshots?” Diane says 90% of people say yes. That $600 upsell is, in her words, like cake.

And the clients who have even a little experience with AI imagery already understand why it takes skill and why it's not cheap. The ones who don't? They usually aren't Diane's clients.

2. Full Brand Photo Shoots

This is where it gets strategic – and where your design and brand thinking skills give you a real edge.

A full brand photo shoot package from Diane includes around 50 images: portraits, lifestyle shots, stock-style backgrounds, textures, and even B-roll video clips for social media. She charges $3,300, and projects typically take 20-25 hours.

The intake process is extensive. She wants to know what world the client wants to live in inside their brand photos. Do they want to be in Paris? A warm home office? What does the furniture look like? What are they wearing? How do they want their hair? And then they get into the deeper stuff: who do they serve, what's their USP, what problem do they solve, how do they help clients get from A to B?

“I want it to look like you went to Paris and had a $30,000 photo shoot with a creative director,” Diane said. “And everything matches.”

Think about what you're actually selling here: you're not just delivering images. You're solving a problem that your client has been putting off, stressing about, or settling for with bad results. The value of eliminating that problem – the photographer hunt, the uncomfortable shoot day, the waiting, the hoping the photos work for a horizontal website layout – is enormous.

This is the kind of thinking we dig into a lot inside the Web Designer Academy, where we help you package your services around the outcomes you create, not just the deliverables you hand over.

Who Buys AI Photography Services (It's Not Who You Think)

Here's something that surprised me in my conversation with Diane: a lot of the people buying AI brand photo shoots are NOT people who would have hired a traditional photographer.

They're people with problems that only AI can solve.

Diane told me about a client who was launching her book and had a fancy photo shoot booked out of town. Then she got a really difficult health diagnosis and couldn't fly. She called Diane: “What am I going to do? I have this book launch, I need photos.” AI portraits to the rescue.

Another client initially said no to AI headshots – it felt weird, she wasn't sure about it. Two weeks later she called back. She had just landed a major speaking gig and they needed headshots immediately for the event website. She was eight and a half months pregnant. All her existing headshots were ten years old. “Okay, I need headshots. Can you help me?”

These are the clients who are specifically looking for what AI imagery can do. Not because it's a shortcut. Because it's the only option that actually works for them.

The Ethics of AI Imagery (And Why Clients Ask for More Wrinkles)

I was genuinely curious how Diane handles the ethics side of this, and she shared the three-part pledge she has her students make inside AI Designer's Academy.

First: they don't use copyrighted work to train models or produce images. Second: they never use AI to mislead audiences or clients – so no TED Talk stage if you haven't given a TED Talk, no awards you haven't received, no meetings with people you haven't met. Third: transparency – they encourage designers to disclose on their sales pages that they use AI imagery.

On the client disclosure side, she has a nuanced take. Some clients ask specifically not to have their images in her portfolio. Given the sensitive reasons some people come to her – health situations, life transitions – she respects that completely. And she pointed out something I hadn't thought about: there's not a lot of difference between AI imagery and what a photographer does with lighting, posing, makeup, and Photoshop. You're still putting someone in their best light.

And in her experience? Clients are NOT coming to her asking to be made unrecognizable. “I can't tell you how many clients have come back and said, nope, make me heavier. That doesn't look like me. I need more wrinkles. Where's my gray hair?”

They want to look like themselves – just in the photos they actually needed.

Visual Claims: The Strategic Edge AI Gives Web Designers

This is the part of the conversation that genuinely lit me up – because it connects AI imagery directly to what we do as web designers and strategists.

Diane talked about something she calls “visual claims” – using AI to intentionally design images that build trust and address visitor objections before a single word is read.

She gave a great example. A lot of her clients are ex-C-suite executives starting their own consulting businesses. They come from a very corporate world – marble, glass, navy, power poses, the whole thing. And that branding can actually work against them when they're trying to attract clients who want someone warm, approachable, and enjoyable to work with.

With AI imagery, you can design the contrast in. Give them the polished, expert shot AND the relaxed conversation shot. Add a plant. Soften the lighting. Put them in an elegant home office instead of a glass high-rise. That contrast is what builds trust – because you're not sitting at either extreme on the seesaw.

And on sales pages? You can now design the before-and-after feeling right into the imagery. Cluttered, warm, slightly chaotic images at the top when you're in the problem. Clean, structured, minimalist images at the bottom when you're in the solution. Your website's visual language starts doing persuasive work before anyone reads the headline.

“We're designers,” Diane said. “We understand intuitively that a bunch of silver glass, all vertical, all in a row – we understand that looks masculine and expertise. But we also understand, girl, you need a plant in the background.”

AI Is Not Going to Kill Web Design

Diane had a scary moment last summer when she was genuinely worried the industry was about to disappear. She is not in that place anymore.

“Web design is very sophisticated on its own,” she said. “There's a reason that some big corporation hasn't been able to swoop in and productize this and sell it to the masses. It's almost like interior design. There are so many things we're having to juggle.”

Client satisfaction, brand expression, niche fit, customer journey, website function, 3D machine vs. 2D brochure – these are not things an AI can handle consistently and well. They require a person. They require judgment. They require the kind of thinking that only comes from years of experience and genuine understanding of the client's business.

What IS coming, according to Diane, is that the websites themselves are going to get significantly more sophisticated. Designers who are already thinking strategically about how imagery builds trust and handles objections are going to be ahead of the curve. And they're going to be able to charge accordingly.

About AI Designer's Academy

Diane's community started as a narrow course on AI portraits and quickly evolved into something much bigger. Her students are not just learning how to use tools – they're having sophisticated conversations about branding, design strategy, visual alignment, and how to make AI imagery actually work inside a real web design project.

The membership includes a Skool community platform, regular calls (including open coffee chats where students bring real client situations), and detailed walkthroughs of Diane's actual client projects – prompts, feedback, edits, the whole messy, real process.

There’s a VIP membership, and there's a free tier if you want to come check out the community before you commit. Weekly prompt challenges, tool discussions, and a community of designers who are actively figuring this out together.

And as Diane pointed out, if you sell even one headshot package, the annual membership pays for itself.

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About Shannon Mattern

Shannon Mattern is a pricing strategist, creator of the Package Matrix™ and the founder of the Web Designer Academy, where she helps experienced women web designers package, price, and sell their services so they can build profitable, sustainable businesses without burnout.

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Can web designers offer AI portrait services without photography experience?

Yes - and Diane Whiddon built a whole membership around teaching them how. The key skill you already have as a designer is understanding visual strategy, brand alignment, and what makes an image suite work. You just need to learn the tools and prompting process, which Diane walks students through step-by-step inside AI Designer's Academy.

How much can web designers charge for AI headshots?

Diane Whiddon charges $600 for a package of three to four AI headshots, with additional images available a la carte. A full brand photo shoot package - 50 images, B-roll video, stock suites - is priced at $3,300. A basic headshot package typically takes four to six hours from intake to delivery.

Is AI imagery ethical for web design clients?

Diane Whiddon’s position is yes, with clear standards around it: no copyrighted work in model training, never use AI to fabricate achievements or misleading scenarios, and be transparent with audiences about using AI imagery. Clients retain full creative control over how they look, and in Diane's experience, they consistently ask for their images to look more like themselves, not less.

Will AI replace web designers?

According to Diane Whiddon, no - and she spent a lot of last year working through that fear herself. Web design requires too many moving parts that AI can't consistently replicate: client alignment, brand expression, customer journey, conversion strategy, and the judgment that comes from real human experience. What IS changing is how sophisticated website imagery can become, and designers who get ahead of that will be able to charge significantly more.

What is the AI Designer's Academy?

AI Designer's Academy is Diane Whiddon's membership community for designers who want to use AI tools with the eye and judgment of a creative director. It started as a course on AI portraits for web design clients and evolved into a community covering AI imagery strategy, branding alignment, client management, and more. There's a free tier to explore and a VIP membership.

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Shannon Mattern (00:01.23)

Hello everyone and welcome back to the Profitable Web Designer podcast. Today I am joined by Diane Whidden, who's the creator of AI Designers Academy, where she teaches designers how to use AI with the eye and judgment of a creative director so that they can deliver premium client work faster and stay indispensable in the AI era. Diane, welcome to the Profitable Web Designer.

Diane Whiddon (00:27.398)

Thank you so much, Shannon. I'm happy to be here.

Shannon Mattern (00:30.616)

So you were connected to me by one of our Next Level Mastermind students, Carla Heath, and she sent a lovely note and said, if you two don't already know each other, you need to know each other. And those are my favorite emails to get because then I'm like, hey, do you want to come on the podcast so I can get to know you and ask you all of the questions? So can you share with our listeners just a little bit more about your background and what led you to create

the your AI Designers Academy.

Diane Whiddon (01:04.475)

Sure thing, yeah. So I got started in web design in 2006. so I've been doing this a really long time. I started out in WordPress. I mean, after I did the whole front page thing and publisher, we won't talk about that. But I built a whole WordPress agency and I had employees and an in-person office, the whole thing. I burned out super hard and just kind of, I sold it, ditched the whole thing. I want to do other things.

Shannon Mattern (01:17.71)

You

Diane Whiddon (01:30.274)

did consulting for a while. And then a couple of years ago, I found Squarespace. And so that's what kind of got me back into web design, because I was like, my gosh, I can, I can do this like a boutique. could like white glove VIP treatment, just like exactly the way I always wanted to run my business. And that's what I've been doing. But about that time, you know, right after I got started, the AI revolution or whatever we want to call it as it and pretty quickly, I was like, okay, this is

I know this is going to transform things. know this is going to change how things work. I have lived through these disruptions before and I'm like, I want to get a handle on it. I want to be an early adopter. And I started doing it. And the reason I started the Academy was I was just, I started doing brand photo shoots for my clients. If you're a web designer, you understand the pain of getting good photos from your client. And I had just had another client hire me and she was so excited. She hired this photographer.

He took awful photos of her and her whole web design project was this headache of how do we give you a really great professional looking presence with these awful photos? And so I'm like, I know exactly what I'm doing with this service. I'm going straight to her. And I was like, let's see if we can do this and make this work. And I made her amazing portraits and she loved them. And I was like, I think this is a thing. And pretty quickly I was like, well, I...

this is working out really well for me. My goodness, this is an easy upsell and it's so much fun and my clients are loving it. Like I could really see it was serving a need. And so I was like, let me just see if this is a course. I'll just, let's just see. I'll do a little quickly launch. If I sell six, I will consider this validated and I sold 24. So I was like, okay, people want to learn this. People want to know it. So that was how I got started.

Shannon Mattern (03:23.246)

I have so many questions that I cannot wait to ask you. So I definitely want to come back to launching the course and going from validated to six, you had 24 people say yes. But before that, you built a WordPress agency.

Diane Whiddon (03:24.87)

Awesome. Wonderful.

Shannon Mattern (03:42.166)

and you said that you completely burnt out. So I want to hear that story because so many people listening to this podcast have the dream of quote unquote scaling their web design business and you know, like all of the things. And I want to know like, what did that look like for you? What was, what was that like a breaking point that made you say, no, selling it, walking away and doing something different.

Diane Whiddon (04:12.174)

Yeah, I love this question so much because scaling to me has become like a four letter word because right, everybody is like, scale, scale. That's the answer to your problems. And that's why I did everything that I did. I did everything that everyone was telling me to do. I hired a team, I created systems, I got the in-person office. did all, was very fancy. I was like a WordPress organizer.

Shannon Mattern (04:17.682)

huh.

Diane Whiddon (04:37.626)

And the thing that got me that I didn't realize was getting me, cause I kept following all this really good advice and I'm hiring business coaches and I'm like spending all this money on these smart people who are giving me all this advice that maybe was good advice for other people, but it wasn't for me. Where I really screwed up was I didn't understand myself and how I really wanted to work. You know what? I don't even know that that's true. I understood myself just fine. I just refused to listen. That's the problem.

The limit for self-betrayal that I had was extreme. And I was just like, I don't want an in-person office. I don't want to be on the phone with people all day. I don't want a huge team. I don't want to be an HR rep, which nobody tells you that's what happens. All the stuff you love about your job right now, the design and the strategy and the branding and the work in one-on-one with a client.

All of that goes out the window when you get a team because you're an HR manager now. And I just was like, I hated all of it. And the hard part of it is I felt like a failure. I felt like I had screwed up and you just can't handle it. You can't do the hard things. You've done everything wrong. So there was just, it was just a lot that kind of all coalesced. And I was like, I just can't ever look at another website again. But the website,

The work wasn't the problem. The problem was all the extraneous crap. And when I built this new business, it was a test for me. I was like, can I build a business where I never get on the phone? Turns out you can. You have WhatsApp. Most clients don't want to get on the phone with you anyway. And the ones that do, you just keep directing them to WhatsApp and they're perfectly happy. And so there were lots of little hacks like that that I discovered that meant I could run the business I wanted to run.

and I could really enjoy it and have fun and yeah, just be happy in my life and enjoy what I was doing.

Shannon Mattern (06:39.181)

I'm so sorry you went through that. But I also appreciate that you did and are willing to talk about how that vision of success is not it. We build these businesses for freedom, flexibility, financial independence. And then sometimes we create a trap for ourselves that we can't escape.

That's where I've been talking to a lot of people lately who are just like, I'm so burnt out. I don't have the passion for this anymore. My clients are unappreciative of things that I'm doing. It all feels very transactional. This isn't why I did this in the first place. And it's like, you do have to go back to like, why did you do this in the first place? Because you're just like,

I'm building an agency. This is what you do. Check the boxes, like get the office, build the things. And then you realize, what was that all for?

Diane Whiddon (07:45.884)

The sleepless nights, the migraines, the stress. Why did I do that?

Shannon Mattern (07:50.318)

Yeah. So thank you for saying that. they're like what I am such a proponent of is like you truly can build a business that works for you. But just like you said, you have to know who you are first and you have to decide that like, the right, like the right clients are out there and I get to make all the rules and I get to like,

just tell them what the rules are like the sky is blue and if that's not a good fit for them, that's okay. There's another client coming along that that'll work for.

Diane Whiddon (08:27.492)

Yeah, that was a big shift for me was this new way of being involved a whole lot of trust. And I was not good at trust before. that trust is actually a skill I have actively cultivated because this new way is like, there is, there's so much trust. It's like, I'm going to do what works for me and I'm going to trust that the right people are going to find me. The wrong people are going to be repelled or, you know, we can part ways peacefully. it's

It's just, it's different game, this one. Yeah. Trust a big part of it.

Shannon Mattern (09:02.005)

I'm just like, yep, I have had to actively work on that myself too, because there's this tug of war between, I'm a business coach, right? I hire mentors to help guide me and whatever, but there's also my own discernment, my own, I'm the one that has to run this business and live this life and deal with the consequences of my choices. And I think about that whenever I am coaching somebody.

that like, I'm not just telling you like, yeah, here's how you can build the cage that you lock yourself in, versus what do you really want? And how would you like this to be? And OK, let's work from there. Because I've taken advice from business coaches and looked up and been like, what did I just do to myself? Yep, I'm very driven. I can make anything I want happen.

Did I stop to question that maybe the how wasn't going to be worth the juice wasn't going to be worth the squeeze. So my thing is trust too, to be like, where am I putting my trust? Like, am I just like abandoning it to someone else and being like, just tell me what to do and I'll do it. Or am I really,

Diane Whiddon (10:09.702)

Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly.

Shannon Mattern (10:31.661)

Do I have the calmness and the patience and the willingness to sit in a little bit of discomfort of the not knowing in the space of trusting and waiting for those results to come? Or do I have to hold on so tight and be in control and need it to happen now? Which is my constant battle, forgetting to know each other.

Diane Whiddon (10:55.356)

It's not like I don't relate to that at all. Yeah, for sure. That outsourcing of accountability, self-belief, confidence, that's brutal too, and learning to overcome that. And like you said, sit in the discomfort. I mean, that's the whole thing. I think all of us who pursue this crazy life have a little bit of control freak in us. So I think learning to manage that and yeah.

Shannon Mattern (11:01.147)

You

Diane Whiddon (11:24.263)

That's a part of it too.

Shannon Mattern (11:25.705)

Yeah, for sure. It's like, I don't like your rules. I'm going to go make my own rules. But then also, I want to make sure I do it right. And I want to be in control of all of it.

Diane Whiddon (11:33.82)

Yeah

Diane Whiddon (11:37.509)

Right?

Exactly.

Shannon Mattern (11:42.286)

my goodness. So you said when you were sharing your story, you're like, I've seen this happen in the industry where something comes on the scene and like disrupts and whatever. And that's what you were seeing with AI when you're like, I want to get ahead of this. So what was your early exploration into?

AI tools and you know, what did that look like for you when you're just kind of trying to figure out like, what is this? What can I create with this? Did you have any fears come up for yourself or were you like always optimistic about it?

Diane Whiddon (12:28.284)

In the early days, I was always optimistic. The fear and terror came later, which we'll talk about that. But yeah, in the early days, it was really exciting. I actually landed on a sales page of Evelyn Weiss's, I want to say maybe the end of 2022 or 2023. And it just had AI imagery on it. And just when I landed on it, it was this completely different experience because

Shannon Mattern (12:33.345)

Mmm.

Diane Whiddon (12:57.776)

The AI imagery, it's so vibrant and amazing. mean, it looked illustrated and it was Victorian caricatures all over. It was wild. it didn't really have anything to do with what the sales page was for, but man, it made the experience of reading that sales page super dynamic. Well, as a web designer, I'm gonna pay attention to that. So I was like, okay, this is gonna change everything. And I really immediately set out to who can I learn from?

and I signed up for a whole bunch of courses. And then I got into mid journey, which back then was really, I mean, it's still kind of the gold standard for most of the creative work. We can get into the minutia of the different tools, but I got started in mid journey back when it was just on Discord and I just went down to rabbit hole. was just so much fun. It was so amazing. I started creating all kinds of things and realized

Shannon Mattern (13:39.469)

Sure.

Diane Whiddon (13:53.692)

pretty quickly that there was more to it than you thought because simple prompts created kind of blah images. But at that time, I didn't really know why my images were kind of blah and why the images I was seeing from other people were like, wow, holy cow, that's amazing, which I have since discovered and hacked. And that is the big thing we teach in my membership. But it was learning what makes

what makes images like really scroll stopping and really attention grabbing, and then what makes images work as a suite, you know? And yeah, so was really, it was really, really fun in the beginning. I lost my mind. I rebranded my whole site. I was like, like space girl, like Jetsons, but like pinup with like a pink wig. And I had this robot sidekick and like,

I had so much fun. was insane. have pulled back since then because clients don't really want Pinup Space Girl to design their website, but I really had fun with it for a while.

Shannon Mattern (14:56.833)

So you, that's delightful. I just remember the meme going around where everybody was like turning themselves into like a Polly pocket or something. I don't even know like what that, what that was all about. But so you had a blast like figuring all of this out, but like, yeah, tell me more. Like my brain's like turning on this like.

turning this into a suite of images, turning this into a whole brand style, turning this into a whole vibe. When you were starting to figure out how to get mid-journey or some of these other tools to do this, and you said you teach this in your membership, what's the thought process behind?

Instead of like you being the one to push the buttons and like create the thing, it's like, it feels like a different skill, right? To be able to turn, to be able to like say the words, I'm even having a hard time describing it. It's like different to be able to say the words of what you want the thing to look like, than to just move the pixels around and see it and maybe not even be able to verbally articulate what you're trying to see.

So I don't know that's like probably the worst question I've ever asked on the podcast, but can you tell me like what that shift looked like for you or how you started kind of figuring out how to do that translation?

Diane Whiddon (16:29.784)

Yeah, my answer may not be any better than the question because it's one of those things because you're right, it's a whole different skill. And so it's reps, you know, and it's not that I don't think that you go through a really clear linear process with it. It's just like you literally have to get in the tool and like get messy and start working with it. it helps to have some shortcuts and it helps to have some tips, but

Shannon Mattern (16:31.277)

Ha ha ha ha ha

Shannon Mattern (16:39.522)

Yeah.

Shannon Mattern (16:52.296)

Yeah.

Diane Whiddon (16:58.392)

what I see, and I see this in my membership too. So the main thing I specifically teach is like how to do AI portraits for clients. But then it's also evolved into all this other stuff because I have clients who are creating stock photo suites for people and I have clients who are creating entire brand photo shoot for people and like some clients who are some students who are just focusing on video and stuff. we now do like kind of all of these things, but it really started with just AI portraits. And what I found with my students is that like

Shannon Mattern (17:23.723)

Yeah.

Diane Whiddon (17:27.534)

And I'm super transparent. give them everything. I'm like, this is my whole process. These are the questionnaires I give to clients. This is the whole, and I'll walk them through. Like, here's beginning, here's the end. Watch a 30 minute video of me, like walking you through what I did for this client, what their feedback was, how I fixed it, how I struggled with, my gosh, the edits and mid-journey, Nano, why won't you listen to me? Like going through that process and then getting to the end and having a happy client, even with all of that information.

My clients learn so much, my students learn so much just from doing it. And they'll come back, especially if they've had a difficult client, it's the same as web design. The worst clients are the best ones because they teach you everything. And they'll be like, my gosh, I can totally do this with confidence. Now I have that awful client or that really difficult client and I get it now. I know what I'm creating. I know how to make people happy. I know how to create gorgeous portraits or matching suites or whatever.

Shannon Mattern (18:01.996)

Mm-hmm.

Shannon Mattern (18:07.245)

you

Diane Whiddon (18:26.286)

So, and yeah, it's just kind of reps. That's the best way I can say it is like the process was like, because it's a whole new skill, you just get in and play.

Shannon Mattern (18:34.655)

Yeah, like it was making me think of, you know, just even, you know, going back and figuring out WordPress and learning the language of it and poking around and what does this do and what does that do? And, you know, sure, I'll watch some tutorials, but mostly I'm going to go in and break stuff and try to fix it and figure out like, how the heck did that happen? And I don't have a, you know, if I had a map, it would go a lot faster. But

in the day there weren't great maps and so it sounds like you were just like I'm gonna blaze my own trail I'm gonna figure out like how to how to do this how not to do this laugh at myself along the way and yeah so I just kind of think about it as like it's almost like learning a new language too where it's just like I'm just gonna have to to get in there and learn this new skill

Diane Whiddon (19:21.094)

for

Shannon Mattern (19:34.189)

Tell me about AI portraits. So I don't do web design anymore. I'm business coach for web designers. I stopped designing in 2019. The only thing I do is my own website stuff. I feel like I'm my grandma sometimes when it comes to these tools, like helping her use her iPhone. But how do you even start to create an AI portrait suite for?

a client, like what do you even need to be able to do that?

Diane Whiddon (20:08.134)

Well, that has evolved over time as the tools have evolved. Right now, I ask for like 20 to 30 or more, if you have them, photographs of the client. So a good way to get started is to do this for you. And then we go into a model. Flux is my preferred for AI portraits. It's really just the best. At likeness, it's the least creative.

So for your audience, people in your audience who are savvy with AI tools, mid-journey is still the gold standard for creativity and sophistication in detail with imagery. I mean, you can't do, it doesn't do character consistency at all. And in contrast, Flux is fantastic at character consistency, but can't be creative. And those things are related, right? Like if it's really focused on character consistency, it's just going to be a more constrained model.

That's very granular, but if anybody's interested. But so then we train the model in flux and then and then build out and then go from there. And we also need from the clients, we take an intake that's super involved, that goes into, you know, well, and there's two versions of this. So I advocate for kind of doing two services if you're interested in doing this. One is just simple headshots. They are so easy to sell.

It is the easiest upsell I have ever offered in my 20 years of web design because everybody needs headshots all the time. And those are really easy. You're not doing a lot of brand work. It's basically like, how do you want your hair? What do you want to be wearing? Where do you want to be? And like, you can create like a little three or four headshots for 600 bucks or whatever.

But if you're doing a whole brand photo shoot, this is where it gets really fun and we get into strategy and goodness. And we have like a really extensive questionnaire where like, wanna know, like, I wanna be able to create the worlds where you want your photo shoot. You wanna go to Paris? Let's go to Paris. Do you wanna like be in your home office? What does it look like? Like, what is the furniture like of your ideal home office?

Diane Whiddon (22:20.11)

Is it clean? Is it messy? What does the furniture look like? What do you want to be wearing? How do you want your hair styled? And then let's get into the granular of your brand. Who do you serve? What's your USP? What's the problem that you solve for people? How do you move from A to B? And then we start thinking about how we're going to answer those and address those with imagery. And that's where I get really geeky and it gets really fun.

Shannon Mattern (22:48.384)

That's incredible. And I'm sitting here thinking just, I'm thinking about pricing, because that's what I do. I'm pricing strategists. The whole web designer academy is all about packaging pricing, making sure you're charging appropriately for the value that you create. And I'm sitting here thinking, wait, you're going to save me from having to find a photographer.

Diane Whiddon (22:56.081)

love it.

Shannon Mattern (23:13.512)

or give them a shot list, not really hope that they can capture my brand vibe, explain to them. And most, if you pick the right photographer, they're going to know, right? Like, need, this is going to be for a website. I'm going to need things with me off to one side, the other side. We're going to be putting text on some of these, like explaining to them all of that, having to smile for an entire day.

which makes your mouth hurt really, bad. Having hair and makeup done, going and trying to like, trying to be natural in a very unnatural setting. I'm just describing my own experience, you know, with, and I don't love any of that. I don't love trying to find the right outfits. I don't love, I'm not a shopping kind of person.

Diane Whiddon (23:57.318)

basically be uncomfortable for a day.

Shannon Mattern (24:11.468)

I do like hair and makeup, that part's fine, but obsessing over clothes and wear and angles and like... And so you're telling me that I, as the business owner, don't have to do any of that. I don't have to wait on the photos. I don't have to go through this whatever. And then on top of that, for you as the designer, you're not waiting on...

the any of that. So when I'm thinking about pricing, I'm just like, very excited about where this could fit in into into our pricing strategy and all of those things. So I'm Yeah, I'm just curious about like your thoughts on pricing this because this people could see this as, it's really fast. I'm just doing this like they could totally devalue.

Diane Whiddon (25:00.198)

Sure.

Shannon Mattern (25:09.938)

this so easily.

Diane Whiddon (25:11.031)

Yeah. And some people do. Some people do. Those typically are not my clients. I'm so bullish on AI. I've got AI everywhere, all over my social media and everything. People who come to me are curious and interested in AI, too. And the thing is, is the people who even have just a little bit of experience with AI imagery, they know how hard it is to get right. So.

Shannon Mattern (25:22.121)

Yeah.

you

Mm-hmm.

Diane Whiddon (25:36.792)

Yeah, it's like the people who don't know are like, yeah, you're just throwing a selfie of me and getting out it. And it's like, that's not how it Right, right. On a typical headshot project, because I track all my time because I want to know because I share it with my students, a typical headshot package still takes me between four and six hours from beginning to end. And I charge six hundred dollars for them. And then additional images that you get for images for that price and additional images are seventy five.

Shannon Mattern (25:43.692)

That's not that. That's not what's happening here.

Diane Whiddon (26:04.388)

So 50, if you get like four or more, I do little packages and things. But it's pretty, that's pretty decent and it's really fun and it really is a great USP. It sets you apart. And like you said, it guarantees gorgeous images. So I don't have to worry. I don't have to wait. I don't have to worry that your images are gonna suck.

Shannon Mattern (26:08.33)

Mm-hmm.

Shannon Mattern (26:19.98)

you

Diane Whiddon (26:25.852)

I just had a client hire me for a web design and she was so excited. She went to a photographer and paid $900 for 20 images and every single image is portrait. Portrait, every single, and I'm like, I know you told her you were getting a new website and you've just come back with 20 images that are all two by three. And I'm like, So anyway, so yeah, so you have so much more control, which is really like.

Shannon Mattern (26:38.816)

Yeah.

Diane Whiddon (26:54.588)

Awesome and wonderful. that's that package. For the photo shoot, the brand photo shoot, I offer a lot more. You get like 50 images. Some of those are stock because I want you to have images for social media and for sales pages and for your website, like, know, backgrounds and textures, because we talk through all of that. So I want everything to match. want it to look like, I want it look like you went to Paris and had a $30,000 photo shoot with a creative director and everything. So stock photos, portraits,

And then videos, so some like B-roll that you can use on social media for reels and stuff like that, that is 3,300. Those tend to take about 20, sometimes 25 hours right now. But yeah, yeah, it's getting faster.

Shannon Mattern (27:39.595)

I just think it solves so many problems for even we're all about web designers not undercharging and over delivering around here. And one of the biggest time sucks is waiting on content. if you could be the, if you could like the cost to your client to have to go do all of that work is high.

Like the value of that, of you being able to do the AI portraits and the AI, you know, all of that is immense. And so it moves your projects along faster. The quality is better. You get to like creatively control all of those pieces. So if you're control freaks like us, you love that part. I just think it's brilliant what that you

do this and that you teach this. can you tell me more about the Academy and what that looks like? Because you said you launched it to six people. You had 24. What did it look like for those 24 people to come in and like learn this process and how do you support people through, through learning this new language and playing in this new playground and producing like high quality images?

Diane Whiddon (29:08.316)

Totally. So can I say two other things? Don't let me forget that question, but let me say two other things. Yeah, based on what you just said, it triggered a couple other things for me. So the other thing that's really cool that I'm seeing a lot of, so food for thought, the two groups of people that consistently do well, and I see this across the board, not just in my membership, but that consistently do well with AI imagery are either hardcore brand strategists or photographers.

Shannon Mattern (29:12.684)

1000%.

Diane Whiddon (29:33.616)

because photographers understand the visual strategy of how to get a good image. They understand how to direct the lens, control the lighting. They know how to do those things, so their images end up being next level. But brand strategists really understand how to think about the images. Before you start prompting, they understand how to think about images that are going to tell a story. They understand how to think about and create an image suite that

Shannon Mattern (29:40.992)

Mm-hmm.

Diane Whiddon (30:02.78)

can sell without copy. So those two groups of people do really well. So there's a tremendous opportunity we're discovering. And of course, we're all discovering this stuff together because this is like cutting edge tech. There's like a really cool opportunity. So if you're already doing brand strategy work, so let's say you're creating a really in-depth brand strategy for someone for $5,500, you present it. And part of your presentation is, even if they're like, no, no, I don't want AI images,

I don't want to shoot, you present it with some concepts that you created. Wait, where did those come from? And then before you know it, they're selling like the full $3,500 brand photo shoot package or whatever. So anyway, so there's a lot of opportunities there. And then the other thing I was going to tell you is about the people who need the shoots. One of the things that's been so interesting to me about the people who are buying these, pretty much,

The headshots, I sell a ton of them as upsell. The easiest question to ask at the end of a discovery call is, and did you need headshots? Because 90 % of the people are gonna say yes. That $600 upsell is like cake. But for the brand photo shoots and even the headshots too, actually, most of the people who are buying them are not actually people who would have bought traditional photography packages from photographers.

There are people who have a problem that can only get served by AI. So it's really interesting. So I had a client who was launching her book. She was getting ready to go on book tour. She had booked a really fancy photo shoot with a guy in another city. She'd been looking forward to it all year and got a really difficult diagnosis right before she was supposed to go get her photo shoot. And she couldn't get on a plane. And she called me and she was like,

Shannon Mattern (31:55.628)

Mm.

Diane Whiddon (31:57.692)

What am I going to do? I have this book launch. I need photos. I need shots, right? I could help her a photographer I had another client who this was in the very very early days I asked her if she wanted AI photo shoots and she was like no, it's weird. It's icky. don't know. I don't know how I feel about it I'm like no sweat. No big deal. And then she came back to me like two weeks later. She had just gotten this incredible speaking gig at like one of the core like a really like

Shannon Mattern (32:02.891)

Yeah.

Diane Whiddon (32:26.438)

career-changing speaking gig, and they needed headshots immediately to put her on the website. But she was eight and a half months pregnant and all of her headshots were 10 years old. So she was like, okay, I need headshots. Like, can you help me? And I was like, yes, I totally can. So, and I have tons of examples of that.

So there are a lot of people who are coming to us for this service. It's not like we're trying to put photographers out of business or anything like that. And yes, it's amazing that you don't have to get your hair done and you don't have to do makeup. You don't have to be uncomfortable for a day. But this service actually serves an entire demographic and group of people who can't be served by regular photographers. So food for thought.

Shannon Mattern (33:06.484)

That is fascinating in terms of, you know, just thinking about missed previously missed opportunities, right? Where this can come in and really fill fill that type of a gap for people who might have had to bow out or maybe, you know, compromise and then they didn't have to.

Diane Whiddon (33:16.476)

Yes.

Diane Whiddon (33:33.308)

That's a big deal. Yeah.

Shannon Mattern (33:36.787)

you said something in there that I, the piece about your client that was like, I don't know, that's weird. Tell me, like I've heard recently, so many people say we're in a trust recession and online with online business, with AI, with everything, like, how can I really believe that what you see is what you get? And so when I think of

Diane Whiddon (33:52.73)

Mm.

Shannon Mattern (34:06.284)

that person's reaction and I think of AI photography and I'm thinking of like, what I'm looking at is not even an actual real depiction of this person of this thing. Like, how do you overcome that? Or do you even need to that trust gap in terms of, you know, helping people be authentic and make a decision and you know,

all of those things that we need to have when we're thinking about, you know, working with someone online.

Diane Whiddon (34:39.836)

Totally. So I two answers for this. I'll talk about it from our side and then also from the client side. From our side, so we really feel strongly about the ethical use of AI. We talk about it a lot in the membership. have a whole module around the things that we stand for. The long and short of it is, is we really stand for three things. So when it comes to AI, we don't produce slop. So if it's not worth creating without AI, it's not worth creating with AI. We're not here to flood the internet with a bunch of crap.

Shannon Mattern (34:44.758)

for sure.

Shannon Mattern (35:07.766)

Yeah.

Diane Whiddon (35:07.996)

So it's great that AI is fast, but we want to use it to amplify excellence. So we're really firm in that. The other thing is we don't want to use it to rip off artists. So we never prompt and say, create this in the style of Wes Anderson, because he's a living artist and he's created a style. So we make sure we mix it up. We combine Wes Anderson with Andy Warhol or, you know,

Shannon Mattern (35:12.854)

Mm-hmm.

Shannon Mattern (35:26.028)

Sure.

Diane Whiddon (35:33.884)

Impressionist painting or I don't know or we prompt for like an entire art style or something like that So we talk about like granular things like that so that we're feeling we want to be able to sleep at night Feel good about what we're producing so it matters But then the third thing is we never ever ever use AI to mislead our audience or our clients or our clients audiences

So we never, we all pledge that like, am not going to create it. If you haven't given a Ted talk, I am not going to create an image of you on the Ted talk stage. I'm not doing anything that implies you've received an award you haven't received or met somebody or done something you haven't done. So there's all of that. So from our side, that's the, and I encourage people, I'm like, make sure you tell people this, have it on your sales page. Like be really clear that we are.

We're excited about this tech and we're curious about it, but we're not indiscriminate with how we use it. The second piece from the client side, it's really interesting because some clients are like, you know, do I have to disclose that these are AI images? And I've actually had a few clients ask me not to put their images in my portfolio because they don't want people to know that they're AI. given the sensitive nature of how some people have come to me for images, I'm like,

That is totally cool. Like you don't have to tell people their AI as long as they look like you and they do. It's that's your business. Like to me, and I know people might take issue with this, but to me, it's not that different than going to a photographer where, right, you get your makeup done and you put the contour so you don't have the fat here and you sit skinny and you can tort yourself and you look up in the lighting and you.

And then the photographer gets in there with the Photoshop and whitens the teeth and smooths out the crows. It's like, does it look like you? Yes. Is it you? Yes. Is it you in your best light? Absolutely. Right? I have had clients, I can't tell you how many clients have come back to me after the round of drafts and said, nope, make me heavier.

Diane Whiddon (37:37.466)

Nope, that doesn't look like me. That's too skinny. I don't look like that. Nope, that's too young. I need more wrinkles. I need more wrinkles here. Nope, that doesn't have the, where's my gray hair? know, they don't, clients are not coming to me because they want to mislead their audience. It's, they're coming to me for there's some reason this service serves a problem that they're having.

Shannon Mattern (37:53.226)

Yeah.

Shannon Mattern (38:01.313)

I couldn't agree more. I think about, I don't live in this house that these pictures are taken. These photos on my website, we rented this Airbnb for a retreat we were at. I don't live there. That's not my day to day. I wouldn't wear that outfit on any given day. Yes, I do my hair and makeup, but my teeth aren't that white.

And I do have more crow's feet and under eye bags than what that lovely photographer helped me look like what I would love to look like. So I agree with all of that. think that I love your standards of we don't manufacture something that's not true, but we put you in your best light. And you decide what your best light is and give us that.

give us that direction. I think that that's, love how you brought, how you talked about that, because I think anybody listening to this who's like, yeah, I'd love to offer that to my clients, but there's this little piece of it that feels like somehow off. It's like, it's no different than what the photographer is doing for them. You're just, you know, adding that on. So

Tell me about the launch of the Academy. How did you even find designer? Did you have relationship with designers when you launched this? What was that initial launch like? And what did those first people through the door experience?

Diane Whiddon (39:44.038)

So when I first launched, actually called it the AI Photo Factory. And it was literally just about how to do AI portraits and AI images. And in my mind, it had this really narrow scope. And I was just going to teach people how to make really good images of themselves because I saw so much slop being produced online. This was last June. And it was right after ChatGBT came out with their ImageGen. And everybody was doing caricatures of themselves. And I was like, stop.

And I was like, look, if you really want to know how to create images for yourself, for your content, come to me, I will help you. And that was just what it was going to be. Well, I didn't realize how many web designers I had in my audience, but that was who flooded in. In retrospect, I think that we're a forward looking bunch. So I think web designers in general are a little more bullish on tech and AI than like the general population.

So I think a lot of, I think I had a lot of web designers in my audience I didn't know about, but I also think I had a lot of web designers who were just really interested in AI. And so when I put this out there, they were like, my gosh, yes. And what was interesting is pretty quickly the content in the group evolved. Like it was not what I thought it was gonna be at all. I thought it was just gonna be, yeah, so use this prompt and here's your little hack and push this, you know, do these things. But pretty quickly we started having really sophisticated conversations around

branding and design and strategy and alignment and, you know, wait, but how do I make this actually work in a website? And how do I make this actually work in a brand strategy? these are like, this is a sophisticated crew, right? So they're holding me to a much higher standard than what I thought. I really thought it was just gonna be like, just to hear you've got some content fodder, but they're like, no, no, no, this doesn't match and the lighting is off in the contrast and we have to make it work.

So which I was just all about, was like, heck yeah, let's go. And so I raised the price pretty quickly and fleshed out the classroom, it's a school community. And so I fleshed out like the content and stuff, put more of what I was learning and interested in there and then changed the name and we became the AI Design, I changed the name a couple of times, but we finally settled on the AI Designers Academy.

Diane Whiddon (42:04.57)

Because we're doing so much more than just portraits, than just photos, it's really like the entire machine. How can you use AI to streamline your systems in your business, make more money, make your clients happier, deliver more? Yeah, in a way that makes you able to work less and charge more and look premium and all those fun things.

Shannon Mattern (42:22.664)

my, that's my jam. love that you're, you know, those, that's everything, right? It's like when we learn these new tools to make us do our work better and faster and higher caliber and all of these things, also making sure that we value it appropriately because I see people so often being like, well, this wasn't, you know, not saying it's not hard, doesn't require skill and isn't hard.

but when something comes easily to you or you put in the work for something to come easy to you and then you start like, I see this all the time with the women that come to work with us are like, it feels like cheating. I can't charge that much, whatever. And so I really helped them through that, but dealing with the humans on the other end of these client relationships is also the thing that we help with. And you mentioned earlier,

about your most challenging clients are the ones that teach you the most. Is that something that you help your students with is like navigating the client relationship as they're delivering the service?

Diane Whiddon (43:35.982)

Yes, absolutely. It's a little tangential. It's not something we focus on hardcore, but it's so funny when I got sort of waylaid with this whole idea, I was actually creating a course and writing a book on designing boundaries because since I've been doing this for 20 years, right, I was like, this is how you talk to clients in a way that doesn't drain you. And like, I just was like, I'm going to put it all in a book. I still may and may put it in the course. I haven't decided, but

Shannon Mattern (43:40.822)

Sure.

Shannon Mattern (43:59.38)

Yeah.

Diane Whiddon (44:05.596)

But we do talk about it a lot. And so that's what the calls are, we do calls usually around four times a month. And two of the calls are just completely open. They're coffee chats. And I encourage people to bring their issues and stuff. And it's so funny. It's the same as web design. It's absolutely the same as web design. This client gave me 50 points of feedback. And the only difference is with the AI stuff.

Shannon Mattern (44:13.344)

Mm-hmm.

Diane Whiddon (44:33.882)

part of where you're pushing back may or may not make sense to the client because you might have to explain why I can make your hair grayer, I can't make it curlier, you know, like, like, you know, because it's like, what do mean? That doesn't make sense. And it's like, I know it's weird, but that's the thing, you know. So there's those things, but the biggest boundary issue that we talk about in that way is, like the limitations of the tech and how do you convey that to clients? But other than that, it's the same stuff.

Shannon Mattern (45:01.927)

Yeah, I mean, that is all we talk about around here in terms of, you know, how are you setting boundaries with these clients from the very first conversation in a way that doesn't have you feel like a punitive parent, in a way that keeps the project moving forward in a way that keeps you getting paid in a way that doesn't, you know, trigger your nervous system and have you undercharging, over delivering, overworking.

And, you know, how do you stand up for yourself when you really need to without worrying you're going to lose all of your clients and just all of those things. it's like, boundaries are my favorite topic to talk about because it's the place where web design businesses. Yeah, sure. Great. Charge $35,000 for the project. But if you don't have boundaries on the back end of that, it's going to cost you a hundred thousand dollars at the end of.

of delivering. so it's the sustainable part of the profitable, sustainable business. And it's the profitable part too. just, like I love that you're giving people the language to be able to have those conversations with their clients about managing expectations, right? I can't wait till you write your book on boundaries.

Diane Whiddon (46:23.942)

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah.

Shannon Mattern (46:30.143)

Send it to me for a pre-read. I want an advance copy of your book on boundaries. So what didn't I ask you today that you want our listeners to know about the work that you do in the academy and kind of just even where this is heading?

Diane Whiddon (46:32.7)

Advanced reader copy for sure.

Diane Whiddon (46:54.576)

I think that's the main thing I would want designers to know and be considering right now. From what I see, people ask me a lot, is AI going to kill web design? It's not. I had a really bad moment last summer where I was like, no, we're done. Everything is changing and it's terrible. But they've basically proven now that that's not the case, that all LLMs have limitations on what they can do. We've all seen it.

Shannon Mattern (47:10.117)

Yeah, crap. Yeah.

Diane Whiddon (47:23.558)

I mean, we're seeing it like literally what we're working with now is like the main limitations of what they can do. They will get more sophisticated, but it's going to stay in line with where they're at. So our entire world is not going to get transformed in the next two years. So web design is not going away. The fact is web design is very sophisticated on its own. There's a reason that some big corporation hasn't been able to swoop in and productize this and make web design. And we're just going to sell it to the masses because

It's almost like interior design. There's so many things that we're having to juggle. So we have to make sure that the client is happy with the site and it matches their self-expression. And we also have to make sure that it actually matches their niche and right people. And then we also have to make sure that it works, that it's actually doing a job, that there's a good customer journey throughout, that it's a 3D machine, it's not a 2D brochure, like all of this stuff.

It's very hard to just productize that, that you need a person there and AI is just not going to be able to duplicate all those moving parts, not well and not consistently. So that's my short answer to AI is not going to take our job. However, what I am seeing from the imagery part is that I think what's coming in web design and what I am personally I'm preparing for is that I think what can be done with websites is about to get way more sophisticated. So up until now,

if you're a web designer, you've only had to worry about picking some stock photos that work or choosing the images of your clients that work. And you're basically kind of limited. You've got a pool of images. You're just trying to pick the ones that work. She looks good in this one. The lighting's good. she's on the right here. And that's what I need for this banner or whatever. And then, same thing with fonts and colors and the whole thing. And then there's a copywriter who writes the copy. And you're just kind of assembling the pieces.

What's happening now with imagery is with AI, you have so much more control over what you can do in images, is that you can start to get really granular about the problems that you wanna solve. So right now as a web designer, you can start to think about like, okay, so what are the people, the people coming to this website, like where are their doubts? Where are they automatically, are they like, she looks too expensive, she looks too...

Diane Whiddon (49:39.324)

Like hoity-toity she's not gonna be fun to work with like whatever it is or this product I'll see it's I'm having doubts about this thing We now have so much more control over how we the images that we create and the images that we can display So we can introduce I mean what I call visual claims, but we can introduce these measures of contrast that immediately build trust in the visitor so that you know

the website can perform better. I mean, and just visually instantly. That's what I think is coming. And I think the web designers who are on the cusp and on the cutting edge of that are gonna see a real difference in what they can charge, the kind of projects that they can get. So that's what I see coming.

Shannon Mattern (50:26.613)

I'm fascinated by what you just talked about about actually AI images can be used to build more trust than what, even though they are not a snapshot of reality, right? But strategically can be used to build more trust. Can you share an example of what you mean when you're talking about like we need an image here to

guide the thought of the person who is looking at this page, you know, the direction that we want them to go.

Diane Whiddon (51:02.748)

Sure, totally. I can give you a few. let's say you've got a client and she's ex-co- So a lot of my clients are ex-c suites. So they're retiring or mid retiring ex-c suites. And they're like, okay, I want to do something on my own consulting or some kind of something. But they come from this like masculine world, like it's corporate and marble and glass and like, you know, and so they want like images, the things that resonate with them are blue and silver and black and gray, you know, and that's like, that's crow.

Shannon Mattern (51:16.735)

Mm-hmm.

Shannon Mattern (51:31.267)

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Diane Whiddon (51:32.73)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Like that's what they want. And if we're building out a brand photo shoot for them, we can be like, okay, so if I build you a whole brand that's nothing but this slick dude bro thing, people are gonna think you're not any fun to work with. People are gonna think you're not nice or maybe not warm or not engaging. You're gonna look like an expert, which is good if you're gonna be in a boardroom with a bunch of old men, but.

you know, if you're trying to get other clients, particularly women, like one of the things that sells online is like, would you be fun to go to happy hour with like, so now and what you used to do is like, they would go get a photo shoot and they'd have all these images with them in glass and a black suit and the whole thing. Now you can, yes, right. Oh my gosh, it's a crossbar. Right, right, totally. And now you can be like, okay, fine.

Shannon Mattern (52:19.627)

The arms crossed over to the side.

Diane Whiddon (52:27.536)

Fine, you want this shot, can I put a plant in the background? Can we take it out of the glass high rise and put you in a very elegant home office? Like maybe a cat on the side or something, you know what I mean? I'm exaggerating, but you get the point. It's like when you start introducing the contrast, you build trust because you're not at one side of the seesaw or the other. So you can build warmth.

Shannon Mattern (52:32.139)

Sure.

Shannon Mattern (52:41.131)

Sure.

Shannon Mattern (52:48.764)

Yeah.

Diane Whiddon (52:53.562)

And here's the thing, here's where we have an edge in this. We're designers. So we understand intuitively, if not consciously, we understand that a bunch of like silver glass, like all vertical, all in a row, like all of that look or like center composition, really bright lighting. We understand that all of those things look really masculine and expertise and all that stuff. But we also understand, girl, you need a plant in the background.

We need some wood. We need you sitting down in front of a wood coffee table. We need some softness. Can we get you a cup of coffee? Or again, and with the AI, you've got the control of like, can we just have you relaxed and chatting with someone, not like on a panel on a stage? We can do that too, but can we make some more casual images? So you have those kinds of things. And then I'll give you a more specific example where

Shannon Mattern (53:36.021)

Yeah.

Diane Whiddon (53:49.188)

Like let's say you're building out a sales page for someone. Now you have the ultimate control over how you build out the problem images that go at the top of the page and the solution images that go at the bottom. So you can build in the contrast between the two. So let's say they're like an organizer or something and they want to create like a sales page for their organization, service, or product, or course, or whatever.

Shannon Mattern (53:59.702)

Yeah.

Diane Whiddon (54:14.97)

And so the solution is very structured. All the images at the bottom, very structured, very organized, clean, minimalist. You can make those problem images very cluttered, like messy, maybe warm lighting to con... You know what I mean? You can just go nuts and your designer brain can just go nuts really creating images that work. And that's what I teach in the membership.

Shannon Mattern (54:26.751)

Mm-hmm.

Shannon Mattern (54:39.211)

Oh my gosh. Okay. I can't believe we're already like at almost an hour. I could talk to you for 10 more hours. Can you tell everybody where they can go to learn more about you, the Academy? I can imagine everybody listening to this is like, I need to learn this skill. So where can they go to connect with you, find you, get on the list and enroll in the Academy?

Diane Whiddon (55:05.564)

Awesome. Thank you so much. So you can find my school membership at aidesignersacademy.com. It'll automatically redirect you to the school membership. Right now, the VIP membership with all the goodies and all the info is $99 a month, or it's $5.97 for the year, which is my sort of intro deal. It's not going to stay there forever.

But there is a free tier. So if you're like, I just got to check this girl out. I just got to see what this community is like. There's a free tier. Come in. We have weekly prompt challenges where we just do fun things and we just play with tools. It's a really vibrant community. People are always offering like tips and tricks and talking about what they're doing with AI. So it's just a really great place to be. And I'm also on LinkedIn. And then my agency website, if anybody's interested in that, is at SwayriseCreative.com. I still do websites and do all this work for clients.

I'm doing it in real time along with you guys.

Shannon Mattern (56:01.684)

So good. Diane, thank you so much for being here. I will link up all of that stuff in the show notes. Go to AI designers academy.com and get in on that. mean, selling one headshot package will pay for that for a year. I mean, come on. So get in there, learn this new skill, have fun with it. And Diane, thank you so much for being here.

Diane Whiddon (56:25.222)

Thank you. Thanks, Shannon. I had a blast. Thanks so much for having me.