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byShannon Mattern
WDA Live Strategy Call 5-09-2023

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Shannon's Meeting Notes

  • Welcome to our Live Strategy Call. 0:00
    • Live strategy call on Tuesday, may 9, 2023.
    • Five p framework training on friday.
    • Kate finished two videos with other web designers.
    • Caitlin is creating her own interview series.
  • Lisa’s hot topics video series with Kate. 5:38
    • Lisa did the hot topics video series with kate and other designers.
    • Erica is doing a youtube thing.
    • Concerns about uncomfortable interviews and fear of judgment.
    • Choosing what to think in uncomfortable situations.
  • What do you want to make the interview mean? 10:42
    • How to deal with negative feedback.
    • What to make an interview mean to you.
    • What if you started with easy people who would say yes.
    • The first one.
  • What’s it like working with a Patrick? 16:56
    • Nerve-racking, but not that serious.
    • Caitlin asks about setting up a patrick.
    • Using patrick for so many reasons.
    • Making one offer for one person.
    • Caitlin needs to think in terms of boundaries, turnaround time, numbers of revisions.
    • Patrick will provide boundaries.
  • How can you get really creative with the Patrick? 25:27
    • Offer a premium package, but offer her something she doesn't know.
    • Get creative with the proposal.
    • Custom order form and cart at the mid-level.
    • Custom order forms at the high-level level.
  • The best way to move forward is to book a half-day vip day with me. 30:59
    • Booking a half day vip day with Patrick.
    • A package matrix based on the client.
    • Empowering clients to make the best choice for themselves.
    • The five p framework.
  • How do you even out the flow of work coming in? 35:04
    • Patrick is designed for a reason.
    • Lisa from caitlin asks about sub-contracting.
    • You can burn your business down at any moment.
    • Crowdsourcing sub-contracting.
    • How to create clients for sub-contracting or retainer work.
    • Making decisions from a thought error.
  • Is it true that project work is feast and famine? 42:10
    • Putting all options on the table.
    • Think about 135 years from today.
    • The magic wand that would make everything happen all the time.
    • Mindset and time.
  • The problem is a lot of these people are retainer clients -. 48:12
    • Locking in the next open spot with a deposit.
    • Prioritizing the next client.
    • Treat new projects the same as other projects.
    • Consequences of not booking a client.
  • Why does it matter if it’s harsh or harsh? 54:06
    • Burning it down or not burning it down.
    • Taking control over anxiety first.
    • No work reviews on this call.
    • Who it's not for. Section.
    • Package matrix show and tell events.
    • Selling more patrick's for the wga.

Chat

00:02:47 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Finished 2 videos with other web designers where we discuss hot topics – which we’re going to post on social media and a new YouTube channel!
00:02:53 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Reacted to “Finished 2 videos wi…” with 💕
00:02:58 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: AND creating my own video interview series!!
00:02:59 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Finished 2 videos wi…” with 💕
00:03:07 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “AND creating my own …” with 🙌
00:03:13 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Reacted to “AND creating my own …” with 💕
00:03:38 Erica Nash: Reacted to “Finished 2 videos wi…” with 💕
00:03:40 Erica Nash: Reacted to “AND creating my own …” with 💕
00:03:52 Caitlin Harrison: I can’t think of a win off the top of my head today
00:04:02 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Win: starting to feel a little bit like I’m being rewarded for documenting my processes – just seems like there’s less and less mental fatigue at each part of a project ✨
00:04:02 Caitlin Harrison: Reacted to “Finished 2 videos wi…” with 💕
00:04:03 Caitlin Harrison: Reacted to “AND creating my own …” with 💕
00:04:06 Erica Nash: Replying to “I can’t think of a w…”

You’re here! That’s a win ☺️
00:04:13 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Reacted to “You’re here! That’s …” with 🙌🏼
00:04:13 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “You’re here! That’s …” with 👍
00:04:17 Caitlin Harrison: Reacted to “You’re here! That’s …” with 👍
00:04:20 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “Win: starting to fee…” with ❤️
00:04:22 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Win: starting to fee…” with ❤️
00:04:24 Erica Nash: Reacted to “Win: starting to fee…” with ❤️
00:04:36 Caitlin Harrison: Replying to “I can’t think of a w…”

Very much in my head these days and in avoidance mode. I need to take action but I’m just hiding
00:05:01 Lisa Doiron: Reacted to “AND creating my own …” with ❤️
00:05:04 Lisa Doiron: Reacted to “Finished 2 videos wi…” with ❤️
00:05:06 Janet Hoover: Working on a proposal for a person that told me “I just looked through your website and thought, SHE'S THE PERSON I'M LOOKING FOR!”
00:05:11 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Win: Got my work with me page up on my site!
00:05:21 Erica Nash: Reacted to “Working on a proposa…” with 🙌
00:05:24 Robin Smith: Lot's of positive things, nothing related to Web design.
00:05:28 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “Working on a proposa…” with ❤️
00:05:29 Erica Nash: Reacted to “Win: Got my work wit…” with 🙌
00:05:31 Caitlin Harrison: Reacted to “Win: starting to fee…” with ❤️
00:05:32 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “Win: Got my work wit…” with ❤️
00:05:33 Caitlin Harrison: Reacted to “Working on a proposa…” with ❤️
00:05:34 Caitlin Harrison: Reacted to “Win: Got my work wit…” with ❤️
00:05:35 Erica Nash: Reacted to “Lot's of positive th…” with ❤️
00:05:38 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “Lot's of positive th…” with ❤️
00:05:38 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Win: Got my work wit…” with 🙌
00:05:44 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Lot's of positive th…” with ❤️
00:05:44 Caitlin Harrison: Reacted to “Lot's of positive th…” with ❤️
00:05:46 Lisa Doiron: Got far out of my comfort zone and did the hot topics video series with Kate and some other designers.
00:05:53 Erica Nash: Reacted to “Got far out of my co…” with 🙌
00:05:53 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Reacted to “Working on a proposa…” with ❤️
00:05:56 Caitlin Harrison: Reacted to “Got far out of my co…” with 🙌
00:06:02 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Reacted to “Win: Got my work wit…” with ❤️
00:06:11 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Got far out of my co…” with 🙌
00:06:13 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “Got far out of my co…” with ❤️
00:06:18 Lisa Doiron: Reacted to “Working on a proposa…” with ❤️
00:06:18 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Replying to “Working on a proposa…”

Gosh, this must feel so good!!
00:06:27 Lisa Doiron: Replying to “Working on a proposa…”

Awesome Janet!
00:06:33 Janet Hoover: Now…wish me luck lol!
00:06:33 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Reacted to “Lot's of positive th…” with ❤️
00:06:35 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Reacted to “Working on a proposa…” with ❤️
00:06:45 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Reacted to “Got far out of my co…” with ❤️
00:06:45 Angela Winter (she/her): Yay! Everyone! Got a couple great testimonials in today!
00:06:51 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Replying to “Now…wish me luck lol…”

I have no doubt you’ll rock their world
00:06:52 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Gosh, this must feel…” with ❤️
00:06:57 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Replying to “Now…wish me luck lol…”

You don’t need luck! You’re awesome!
00:07:00 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “Yay! Everyone! Got …” with ❤️
00:07:00 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Awesome Janet!” with ❤️
00:07:06 Lisa Doiron: Reacted to “Win: Got my work wit…” with ❤️
00:07:07 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “I have no doubt you’…” with ❤️
00:07:08 Erica Nash: Reacted to “Now…wish me luck lol…” with 🦾
00:07:11 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “You don’t need luck!…” with ❤️
00:07:12 Erica Nash: Reacted to “Yay! Everyone! Got …” with ❤️
00:07:16 Janet Hoover: Replying to “Now…wish me luck lol…”

You guys rock lol!
00:07:28 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Reacted to “Yay! Everyone! Got …” with ❤️
00:07:39 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Our fan club
00:07:44 Erica Nash: Reacted to “Our fan club” with 🙌
00:07:49 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Reacted to “Our fan club” with 🙌🏼
00:07:49 Lisa Doiron: Forgot I also had my first podcast interview drop last week
00:07:52 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Yay! Everyone! Got …” with 👍
00:07:55 Erica Nash: Reacted to “Forgot I also had my…” with 🙌
00:08:00 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Reacted to “Forgot I also had my…” with 🙌
00:08:02 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Our fan club” with 👍
00:08:05 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Forgot I also had my…” with 🙌
00:08:06 Erica Nash: So much big action
00:08:07 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “Forgot I also had my…” with 🤩
00:08:12 leigh: Win: I posted on LinkedIn
00:08:16 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Win: I posted on Lin…” with 🙌
00:08:19 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Replying to “Win: I posted on Lin…”

I saw that!! Love
00:08:21 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Reacted to “Win: I posted on Lin…” with 👏🏼
00:08:22 Lisa Doiron: Reacted to “Win: I posted on Lin…” with 🙌🏻
00:09:06 Janet Hoover: Ooo good one, Kate
00:09:29 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: You DEFINITELY have things to say that people should hear!! 🙂
00:09:34 Erica Nash: I felt every single one of those things so I understand!!
00:09:35 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “You DEFINITELY have …” with 👍
00:09:49 Janet Hoover: Replying to “You DEFINITELY have …”

What Kaila said!
00:10:44 Diana Richards she/her: Reacted to “Win: I posted on Lin…” with 🙌
00:11:07 Janet Hoover: They’ll be excited…I mean…another place they are “out there” too
00:11:21 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): I just got invited to be interviewed on someone’s series and all I thought was “So fun! I’m flattered they asked me”
00:11:24 Erica Nash: YES
00:11:39 Janet Hoover: Replying to “I just got invited t…”

Congrats!
00:11:48 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Replying to “I just got invited t…”

@Janet Hoover thank you!
00:11:52 Lisa Doiron: Reacted to “I just got invited t…” with ❤️
00:11:56 Erica Nash: Reacted to “I just got invited t…” with ❤️
00:12:13 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Reacted to “Congrats!” with ❕
00:12:19 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “@Janet Hoover thank …” with 👍
00:12:40 leigh: Reacted to “I saw that!! Love” with ❤️
00:15:47 leigh: Isn’t it wild how strong you feel can fluctuate? Yesterday I noticed that even how I was sitting was effecting how strong and motivated I felt
00:16:00 Erica Nash: Reacted to “Isn’t it wild how st…” with ‼️
00:16:11 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Isn’t it wild how st…” with 👍
00:16:22 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Kate you’re a great conversationalist. I’m sure you’d flow when chatting. And you have edit control so you can re-answer and delete your mistakes if they come up.
00:16:39 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Kate you’re a great …” with 👍
00:16:48 Lisa Doiron: Reacted to “Isn’t it wild how st…” with 🙌🏻
00:16:54 leigh: Reacted to “Kate you’re a great …” with 👍
00:17:09 Robin Smith: Do you have standard questions you ask each? Like if you had 3 or 4 standard questions so you are sure they will at least be prepared and you will have those questions if nothing else. I have found this very helpful.
00:17:20 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Reacted to “Do you have standard…” with 👍🏻
00:17:46 Erica Nash: First pancake!
00:17:56 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Reacted to “First pancake!” with 😂
00:19:19 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: If you want to a do a test that you’re never going to air or publish, I would definitely volunteer! I have nothing revolutionary to say in your field but I’ll bet we can have a few good giggles :p
00:19:50 Robin Smith: I'd be willing to be a guest. Don't care if it is published or not.
00:19:57 Robin Smith: I've been a guest on several
00:20:08 Erica Nash: So excited for that, Kate!!!
00:20:15 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: I’m so excited to listen
00:20:17 Caitlin Harrison: count me in too 🙂
00:20:18 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Kate I can’t wait for your series!
00:20:20 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: I love listening to you speak
00:20:22 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Thanks all!!!
00:20:25 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “I love listening to …” with ❤️
00:20:29 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “count me in too 🙂” with ❤️
00:20:31 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “I’m so excited to li…” with 👍
00:20:32 Janet Hoover: Very cool, Kate! Can help out too 🙂
00:20:43 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “So excited for that,…” with ❤️
00:20:48 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “I'd be willing to be…” with ❤️
00:21:04 Glennette Goodbread: Happy to be interviewed if it's a fit Kate.
00:21:10 Amy K Ogden: PATRICK!!
00:21:12 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “If you want to a do …” with ❤️
00:21:16 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “First pancake!” with 😂
00:21:19 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “PATRICK!!” with 😆
00:21:23 Caitlin Harrison: AMY!!!!
00:21:30 Janet Hoover: Replying to “PATRICK!!”

Hi Amy! Long time no see 🙂
00:21:33 Amy K Ogden: Hiya!!
00:21:35 Erica Nash: Reacted to “PATRICK!!” with 👋
00:21:37 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Replying to “Do you have standard…”

I do! It’s all fleshed out.
00:21:37 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: AMYYYYY
00:21:42 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “Kate you’re a great …” with ❤️
00:21:50 Amy K Ogden: 😊
00:21:56 Amy K Ogden: Missed you guys!!1
00:22:05 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Replying to “Missed you guys!!1”

Right back atcha!
00:22:11 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Right back atcha!” with 👍
00:22:18 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Replying to “Kate you’re a great …”

Thank you! It’s a YouTube video so yes I can edit if I need to.
00:22:41 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Caitlin this question is timely for me because I’m meeting someone tomorrow for a small project discovery call and was like “seems straightforward do I really need a Patrick?”…totes gonna make a Patrick 😄
00:22:42 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Replying to “Isn’t it wild how st…”

It is wild!
00:22:43 Amy K Ogden: Reacted to “Right back atcha!” with ❤️
00:23:02 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Patrick wants to be seen!
00:23:07 Amy K Ogden: LOL!
00:23:13 Erica Nash: Kate, just wanted to send over some encouragement. I know it’s so scary to start this whole thing, but I’ve found that people are generally just super excited to talk about the stuff they love! It will be really great, but I deeply understand your rejection sensitivity and how it might interfere with your decision around this. You can do this!!
00:23:16 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Patrick wants to be …” with 😆
00:23:18 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Reacted to “Patrick wants to be …” with 😆
00:23:20 Amy K Ogden: Reacted to “Patrick wants to be …” with 😅
00:23:20 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Oh Cait, I will always love your honesty
00:23:25 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “Kate, just wanted to…” with ❤️
00:23:34 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Kate, just wanted to…” with 👍
00:23:35 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Reacted to “Kate, just wanted to…” with ❤️
00:23:35 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Replying to “Kate, just wanted to…”

Thank you! That means a lot. I know you understand.
00:23:39 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Oh Cait, I will alwa…” with 👍
00:24:01 Erica Nash: Reacted to “Thank you! That mean…” with ❤️
00:24:04 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: I totally feel you Caitlin!
00:24:09 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “I totally feel you C…” with 👍
00:24:17 Amy K Ogden: And also maybe not offering something that she’s not thinking of
00:24:17 Janet Hoover: Replying to “I totally feel you C…”

I am Caitlin lol
00:24:37 Amy K Ogden: Providing a premium package could offer her something she doesn’t know she needs
00:25:43 Kim Stone: Who is doing the research to find the solution?
00:26:03 Kim Stone: The cart that is for this project.
00:27:15 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Sometimes for premium package I’ll add in the opportunity to do an update in a few months
00:27:16 Robin Smith: Reacted to “I do! It’s all flesh…” with 👍🏼
00:27:51 Amy K Ogden: Replying to “Sometimes for premiu…”

I like that idea!
00:27:59 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Reacted to “I like that idea!” with ❤️
00:28:09 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Sometimes for premiu…” with 👍
00:28:23 Amy K Ogden: What about setting up a marketing funnel for people who purchase. If you’re not good at that maybe subcontract that out.
00:28:36 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Replying to “What about setting u…”

Great idea!!
00:29:33 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: The education could only be for a higher package
00:29:51 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Or teaching her in person as opposed to just a video training
00:30:06 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Or teaching her in p…” with 👍
00:31:05 Amy K Ogden: Or add in a certain number of social media posts she can use to promote her product
00:31:22 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Replying to “Or add in a certain …”

Yes! Good one
00:31:27 Janet Hoover: Replying to “Or add in a certain …”

Good idea
00:31:27 Amy K Ogden: Of which you could also subcontract out if your package is high enough
00:32:26 Amy K Ogden: Caitlin is processing
00:32:33 Diana Richards she/her: Reacted to “Caitlin is processin…” with ☺️
00:33:12 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Something else I’ve done is the timing in which it’s offered, or # of revisions
00:33:28 Amy K Ogden: Replying to “Something else I’ve …”

Always a good go-to for me too
00:34:57 Amy K Ogden: Shannon once said, “Your clients aren’t paying you, they are investing in your business.” I have it on a post-it next to my desk and I say it everyday
00:35:08 Amy K Ogden: Sorry “their” business
00:35:09 Amy K Ogden: LOL!
00:35:13 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Reacted to “LOL!” with ❤️
00:35:27 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Shannon once said, “…” with 👍
00:37:31 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Wow don’t I know that feeling!
00:37:34 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Rest, don’t burn
00:37:43 Erica Nash: Reacted to “Rest, don’t burn” with 🙌
00:37:45 Glennette Goodbread: I feel ya.
00:37:47 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Reacted to “Rest, don’t burn” with 🙌🏼
00:37:50 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Rest, don’t burn” with 🙌
00:37:53 Diana Richards she/her: Sometimes I tell myself, “I don’t have to make this decision RIGHT NOW” to allow myself time to figure it out
00:38:07 Caitlin Harrison: yesssss
00:38:14 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Sometimes I tell mys…” with 👍
00:38:51 Erica Nash: Reacted to “Sometimes I tell mys…” with ❤️
00:38:51 Diana Richards she/her: And then I walk out of the room, but don’t do that right now 😄
00:39:06 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Reacted to “Sometimes I tell mys…” with ❤️
00:40:01 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: I LOVE subcontracting
00:40:07 Janet Hoover: Moi aussi !
00:43:43 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: I’ve totally had feast or famine. I’m starving right now.
00:45:41 Caitlin Harrison: I had a realization listening to Racheal’s episode of your podcast like I do NOT want to get a job, it was almost impossible for me to get jobs in the past. This is actually “easier” but more stressful
00:46:00 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “I had a realization …” with 👍
00:47:02 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): I felt this way last year, and I got a “Long term” retainer (through what felt like luck and happenstance) and it felt really good in terms of money safety. Then it ended abruptly. And now I’m here 🙂 That was a nice break but it also felt imperfect, and now I have rejuvenated energy for THIS path. It’s ok to move in and out of different business models if that’s available to you. But it’s so true that the “still have to find client” follows you to each lol
00:47:37 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: There are pros and cons to retainer work too (at least for me). I personally don’t love being stuck to any client (even the good ones!)
00:47:55 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Replying to “There are pros and c…”

100%!
00:48:06 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “100%!” with 😂
00:48:20 Glennette Goodbread: I personally feel like outreach is my entire problem. Not pricing, not mindset, just the fact that my pipeline isn't as full as it needs to be. I wonder how many of us are in the same boat.
00:48:35 Diana Richards she/her: Reacted to “I felt this way last…” with 💞
00:48:36 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Reacted to “I personally feel li…” with 👍🏻
00:48:41 Diana Richards she/her: Reacted to “I had a realization …” with 💞
00:48:55 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: I outreach a lot and nada. That’s why I’m leveling up my marketing
00:49:02 Caitlin Harrison: Reacted to “I outreach a lot and…” with ♥️
00:49:03 Janet Hoover: I do the same thing
00:50:14 Glennette Goodbread: Kate, what do you consider a lot?
00:50:33 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: 5-10x/week
00:50:38 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Low hanging fruit
00:51:05 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: I feel like I can’t close
00:51:51 Glennette Goodbread: For my pipeline to be where I want it, I feel like I should be doing 15-20 reachouts per DAY.
00:52:02 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Yeah, I’m never gonna do that LOL
00:52:31 Caitlin Harrison: I put it on my calendar every monday and every monday I find things to do around my house instead
00:52:41 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “I put it on my calen…” with 👍
00:53:00 Glennette Goodbread: I've considered hiring someone to do it for me.
00:53:11 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: Reacted to “I put it on my calen…” with 😆
00:53:17 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Replying to “I've considered hiri…”

I did that. Huge fail.
00:53:29 Caitlin Harrison: Reacted to “I did that. Huge fai…” with 😮
00:55:11 Glennette Goodbread: Replying to “I've considered hiri…”

I tried it once but I'm sure there are companies/people out there that do a good job.
00:56:00 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Replying to “I've considered hiri…”

Cold emails never worked for me. Warm emails weren’t personal enough and didn’t work (even though I rrealllly tried), so they have to be people I know pretty well and I wouldn’t hire someone to contact those people. That’s just my experience, take it or leave it LOL
00:57:20 Diana Richards she/her: Brains are the worst sometimes 😄
00:57:27 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Meds are the best! LOL
00:57:29 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Brains are the worst…” with 👍
00:57:32 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “Meds are the best! L…” with 😂
00:57:36 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Reacted to “Brains are the worst…” with 😂
00:57:54 Glennette Goodbread: Reacted to “Cold emails never wo…” with 👍
00:59:11 Amy K Ogden: Love that!
00:59:20 Amy K Ogden: “Why does it matter if it’s harsh.”
00:59:27 Janet Hoover: Reacted to ““Why does it matter …” with 🙌
00:59:41 Amy K Ogden: I think that ones’ going on a post-it too
00:59:44 Lisa Doiron: Reacted to “I put it on my calen…” with 👍🏻
01:00:16 Glennette Goodbread: Gotta go, have a 4:00 meeting with another marketer who is interested in potentially outsourcing seo to me.
01:00:45 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Reacted to “Gotta go, have a 4:0…” with 👍
01:01:16 Caitlin Harrison: Reacted to “I think that ones’ g…” with 😂
01:01:46 Diana Richards she/her: Woooooo!
01:01:48 Kaila – HeyKaila Media: I definitely want to repel people….lol. I like you Sarah!
01:01:53 Kate Newnham | UpDesignsLA.com: Congrats Sarah!
01:01:57 Janet Hoover: Reacted to “I definitely want to…” with 👍
01:02:07 Amy K Ogden: Reacted to “I definitely want to…” with ❤️
01:02:11 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Reacted to “I definitely want to…” with 👍
01:02:18 Sarah Guilliot (sarahdesign.com): Reacted to “Congrats Sarah!” with ❤️
01:02:33 Caitlin Harrison: I’d love to also have more examples of Shannon selling a Patrick
01:03:09 Amy K Ogden: Lol!
01:03:42 Diana Richards she/her: Bye!